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Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 07:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
DA

It's not really a show that has a problem with infidality. In episodes so far:

One: Milady (married) slept with the Spanish Dude and d'Artagnan. Adele was sleeping with Aramis and Richelieu
Two: had a prostitute in love with a thief, so she was probably okay. Anne (married) flirted with Aramis.
Three: Pirate dude was trying to chat up the bar wench when his wife caught him.
Four: Catherine of Savoy was not sleeping around, but was spying on her husband.
Five: Porthos slept with Flea who was in a relationship with Charon.
Six: Aramis flirted with a widow, and no one got laid.
Seven: Athos (married) flirted with Ninon, and Constance (also married) slept with d'Artagnan. Anne (still married) continued to flirt with Aramis.
Eighth episode: Porthos slept with a widow, and Aramis slept with a married woman (I think that was the one with the husband and the yappy dogs?). Constance (married) still sleeping with d'Artagnan, until forced to stop.

I will grant extenuating circumstances with the Milady/Athos union, even though they're still clearly into each other in a hateship sort of way, but they were married in the eyes of God and knew it when they were making out with other people. Show doesn't give a shit. Vadim and Suzette, Aramis and the widow (who was not over her husband), and Porthos and Alice have been the only non cheating couples so far.

To be fair, they did warn us first episode, when d'Artagnan objected to a relationship with Constance on grounds that she was married, and Porthos and Aramis thought that was hilarious.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 07:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
SA

Oh, also in episode three: Milady seduced Remy when she was clearly married to Athos. Which was to save her own life, but after she murdered Athos' brother.

One gets the impression that Dumas didn't have a high opinion of marriage. I'm trying to think of a single happy one in the books, and am drawing a blank. Tréville maybe? Was Tréville married?

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 07:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You forgot Marie de Midici and the captain of her guard. Pretty sure they were clear. So the show's about 50/50 by now.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 07:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Involving infidelity of some kind:
Milady/Remy, Milady/d'Artagnan, Milady/Spanish Ambassador, d'Artagnan/Constance, Aramis/Adele, Aramis/Anne, Aramis/Married Woman, Bonnaire/Waitress, Porthos/Flea, Athos/Ninon.

No infidelity:
Suzette/Vadim, Marie de Medici/Guard Captain, Porthos/Alice, Aramis/Widow w/ Baby.

If you discount Athos/Milady, it's about that.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 08:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If you want to get really technical, you could divide it so:

People who shouldn't be flirting, but totally are:
Milady, Athos, Constance, Queen Anne, Adele, Married Woman, Flea, Emil Bonnaire, King Louis

People who knowingly flirt with people they should not flirt with, though they themselves are free,
Aramis, d'Artagnan, Remy, Porthos

People who have on screen only flirted with people with whom they're in a relationship:
Marie Bonnaire, Richelieu, Jacques, Charon, Married Woman's Husband

People who have flirted onscreen, but never with someone they knew they ought not to have flirted with:
Spanish Ambassador, Waitress, Ninon, Suzette, Vadim, Marie de Medici, Guard Captain, Alice, Agnes

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-23 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Richelieu is a priest in the Catholic church, so he def. belongs in the first category.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-24 11:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
ayrt

Mmmmmm but was there any expectation at the time of keeping that? He's much more a politician than a religious figure (though actual Richelieu was pretty religious).

I made those categories late at night, and need to work on them, anyway.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-25 05:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mmmmmm but was there any expectation at the time of keeping that?

Probably not universally, no. But that's true of everyone on that list.

(There is a bit in the novel where Richelieu is about to do something that will affect Our heroes negatively and Athos distracts him by starting to babble about his mistresses. Which suggests to me that even if everyone knew that Richelieu wasn't exactly chaste, it was not 100% uncontroversial.)

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-25 05:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yeah. I need to rewrite that list so it makes sense. Hang on:

People who are flirting outside wedding vows, serious relationships and/or vows of celibacy:
Milady, Athos, Constance, Queen Anne, Adele, Married Woman, Flea, Emil Bonnaire, King Louis, Richelieu

People who knowingly flirt with people they should not flirt with, though they themselves are free,
Aramis, d'Artagnan, Remy, Porthos

People who have, on screen, only flirted with people with whom they're in a relationship:
Marie Bonnaire, Jacques, Charon, Suzette, Vadim, Marie de Medici, Guard Captain, Duke of Savoy, Duchess of Savoy

Random other people who flirted:
Spanish Ambassador, Waitress, Ninon, Alice, Agnes

You're right, anon. Every other religious person so far has been really good about keeping their vows, so Richelieu is an outlier and deserves the spot.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-04-09 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Surely that visiting Duchess who was trying to seduce King Louis counts as well?

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-04-11 12:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
ayrt couldn't tell if she was actually hitting on him or just generally friendly, but sure.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

Date: 2014-03-20 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Dumas had so many problems with marriage. Almost as many as he did illegitimate children. (Hence the many famous and literary issues of Dumas fils.)

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