Round 1

Feb. 8th, 2014 10:08 pm
[personal profile] bbcmusketeerskink
Welcome to the BBC The Musketeers kink meme

The lowdown: You post your prompt, anon or not. Someone else will hopefully fill it (also anon or not). Not for profit, just for fun. And in this case, for king and country.

Anon is on, IP logging is off.

Rules:
No wank
No kink-shaming
Be respectful to everyone
The mod is not your babysitter
Use the warnings

Mandatory trigger warnings/warnings for both prompts and fills:
non-con/dub-con
abuse (physical and mental)
issues such as racism, sexism, homo-/trans-/-bi-/ace-phobia etc
character death
suicide
self-harm
eating disorders
extreme physical or mental illness
substance abuse (alcohol, drugs, medication)
bullying
gore and horror

If this list misses anything, do let me know, though please understand that if absolutely everything is added this list will never end.

You are encouraged and advised to add additional warnings at your own discretion.

Please make use of the subject line.

If your prompt alludes to the book or any of the other adaptations, please let us know which one.

Lastly, prompt freezes (which I have to say I’m really not fond of) etc will be at the mod’s discretion. I will decide on a prompt cut-off point for prompt posts once I know how fast the meme moves.

Rule addition: No more discussions on the prompt post. If you want to discuss something, we have a discussion post. If you want to wank about a prompt, that's not what the discussion post is for. That's what your scroll bar and that little red x in the top corner of your browser is for.


Archive:
https://delicious.com/bbcmusketeers

Discussion post:
http://bbcmusketeerskink.dreamwidth.org/557.html

Official fill post (I strongly suggest you use it for better visibility of your fills):
http://bbcmusketeerskink.dreamwidth.org/418.html
From: (Anonymous)
The boys are assigned as guards to a visiting noble and he seems really nice.

But only to Athos. To D'Artagnan, Aramis and especially Porthos, he's down right antagonistic. The reason is that the man is incredibly racist and pretty much hates anyone who isn't white. The man spits at their feet, is rude to them and sometimes flat out ignores them, but never hits them.

For ages Athos doesn't realise, because the other three grit their teeth and bare it, thinking the guy is just an asshole and is being one to Athos too.

But after a few days of hearing a few sarcastic comments from the others about their 'charming guest' etc, Athos corners them and they're all surprised to find out that the man is only civil to Athos.
It doesn't occur to any of them that the reason is race until D'Artagnan's hot-headed nature gets the better of him and the noble backhands him, calling him a very offensive and racist term.

Athos is having none of it (and neither are the others, Treville and Constance)

(What he does to the noble is up to the person filling)
From: (Anonymous)
D'Artagnan and Aramis would count as white, though, at least within the world of the show. Or did you want him being racist against them for being Gascon/Spanish? Or did you want the character's ethnicities shifted to match the actors?
From: (Anonymous)
DA is not sure Aramis is Spanish in the show. He speaks Spanish, but they all would have then. The character might not be any more Spanish than d'Artagnan is Italian.
From: (Anonymous)
Personal headcanon is that Aramis is French but has Spanish parents, though I accept this is as much to satify my language kink as anything else...
From: (Anonymous)
I think at around that time Spaniards were considered black. D'Artagnan may well have been too. It's weird how perceptions change.
From: (Anonymous)
Nope, the Spanish were Europeans and one of the most powerful nations worldwide. They were certainly not seen as black.
In fact Anne of Austria was in fact a Spanish princess (Habsburg House sure but Spanish was still her mother tongue).
Neither D'Artagnan nor Aramis would have registered as anything but European to their contemporaries (white didn't become widely used until the middle 18th century, a good hundred years after the show is set). The first post-antiquity classification of humans wasn't published until 1684 by Francois Bernier.
There was certainly racism but it would be directed at people who look very different like Porthos but not Aramis or D'Artagnan. And mostly people discriminated against each other based on nationality (usually because their nations were hostile towards each other like France and Spain, France and England, etc) or religion (in 1630 the Thirty Year War was still in full swing and mostly justified with religious differences, also, yeah, protestants and catholics really didn't like each other) or class (the real D'Artagnan was essentially nouveau riche since his grandfather had been an ennobled merchant and D'Artagnan only made it where he was through his mother's family who were old blood and by old I mean really old (9th century and they're still around nowadays).
From: (Anonymous)
This.

Also, European discrimination was nothing like the American black/white issue - you really can't just map US racism over and have it make any sense.
From: (Anonymous)
DA

To be fair, this is a kink meme. I'm writing an ABO AU, for crying out loud, and people are handwaving sexual mores left right and centre.

While I agree wholeheartedly with all historical points raised, if that's the OP's kink...
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, I don't think there's anything wrong with the kink, I'd love to see Athos sticking up for his friends! I think we're just trying to work out what kind of discrimination would work.
From: (Anonymous)
I have a question, actually- can someone explain Gascony to me?. because from my understand, d'artagnan's actor, Luke, is Sicilian Italian, which explains his darker features because there was a lot of intermixing in the south of Italy with northern Africans- but is there a similar reason with Gascony? sorry, I'm just very confused by anything french, and apparantly Gascony has it's own language as well, so I've always been very lost on this lol
From: (Anonymous)
Gascogne is a province of France in the south west on the border to Spain. There was a lot of intermixing between people from all over Europe and the Mediterranean thanks to things like Crusades, Muslim States of Spain but especially trade. So yes, people can end up looking quite dark but as mentioned above no one would have batted an eye at that.
Don't worry too much about the Gascon language. It's a dialect of occitan, a roman language spoken in south france and north spain. Not too many people speak it nowadays and D'artagnan would have spoken French because he's nobility (at least in real life and in Dumas' books).
From: (Anonymous)
Thank you so much! That was very helpful and nice of you to explain :)

From: (Anonymous)
OP here
(I knew this would spark a debate... maybe I shouldn't have bothered)

I don't mean white as in the race encompassing Europeans, I mean the actual skin pigment white. Athos has pale skin, while Aramis, D'Artagnan and Porthos have much, much darker skin.

The noble is incredibly narrow minded, although if it fits historical concepts then disliking Spaniards/Gascons/Mixed Race is fine. :)

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