discussion post

[bbcmusketeerskink]

This is the post where you get to chat.

Talk about anything you want, Musketeers related or not.

Be respectful, do not start wank and drama. If something does arise, please send a message to the account. I'll get to dealing with it as soon as possible.

This meme is an original vs. adaptations argument-free zone.

Mod contact post here: http://bbcmusketeerskink.dreamwidth.org/1356.html

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Moiralligence

[(Anonymous)]

D--> Does anyone here read Homestuck?
D--> Because the pale dynamic of the group is so STRONG!
D--> Aramis <> Porthos
D--> Athos <> d'Artagnan
D--> I mean, within a few episodes Athos told d'Artagnan about his wife.
D--> If that scene outside the burning house wasn't an impromptu feelings jam, I don't know what is.

D--> Also, my headcanon is that the Musketeers are a blueblood organisation on Alternia.
D--> Aramis is cerulean.
D--> Porthos is teal, but managed to get in on hard work etc.
D--> Athos is pretending to be an indigo-blue blood, but is in reality a violet-blooded seadweller. With his face fins torn off or otherwise removed, and wearing coloured contact lenses to conceal his eye colour.
D--> I think d'Artagnan is an an olive blood, but they'll manage to circumvent the rules somehow to let him in.

Re: Moiralligence

[(Anonymous)]

D--> SA
D--> Captain Treville <3< Cardinal Richelieu

Delicious account

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be happy to create a delicious account to keep track of fills if people would like and it's OK with the mod?

Re: Delicious account

[bbcmusketeerskink]

That would be really awesome, anon, thank you. I have been thinking it would be great to have one, but don't have time to run it myself. So you have all kinds of go-ahead from me to make one. :)

Incorrect posting, my bad :(

[(Anonymous)]

Hey guys, I don't know how to ask about this but I posted the 2nd chapter of my fill 'Not A Tragedy' on the first page of the prompts post in the wrong place lol. I posted it right the second time but as it's anon I can't deleted the incorrectly posted entry. It's under the Omega verse prompt, you'll see that chapter 2 for some reason is posted above chapter 1, chapter 2 is also posted below chapter 1 which is correct so the first one needs to be deleted. Does that make sense :S

Re: Incorrect posting, my bad :(

[bbcmusketeerskink]

If you PM me the link to the incorrect post I can delete it for you. :)

Terminology Question

[(Anonymous)]

Anyone know if the knives they hold in their left hands when fighting have a special name?

Re: Terminology Question

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're fine just going with "dagger."

Here's a fencing guide from around that period: http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/swetnam.htm

Caveats: it's English, not French, and it's gentlemanly duelling, not the punch them in the face/kick them in the balls style the show likes. However, it's not bad for terminology etc.

Icons

[(Anonymous)]

Anyone have links to good icons? I've found a couple people doing them, but am always on the lookout for more.

Ones I've found:
http://videnda.dreamwidth.org/tag/cn:+the+musketeers

http://zuzou-gouka.livejournal.com/tag/tv%3A%20the%20musketeers

http://bmshipper-arts.livejournal.com/tag/icons%3A%20the%20musketeers

Re: Icons

[(Anonymous)]

have you checked the icon tag on bbc-musketeers.livejournal.com?

http://bbc-musketeers.livejournal.com/tag/fanwork%3A%20icons

there's more

http://asthenie-vd.livejournal.com/tag/icons%3A%20the%20musketeers

http://dreamlittleyo.dreamwidth.org/tag/musketeers+icons

Where do I find a beta?

[(Anonymous)]

I've finished my fill, but I'd like to get it checked by a beta before I post to AO3. Does any one know where I could find one for this fandom?

Re: Where do I find a beta?

[(Anonymous)]

I would be happy to look it over for you if you want.

The Issue of Infidelity

[(Anonymous)]

I ship d'Artagnan and Constance, I love their interaction, and I want them to have fun and laugh and practice weapons and have adventures together - but I didn't want them to actually have sex.

Because much as I ship them, Constance is married, I didn't want her cheating on vows she willingly took. And for the same reason, while I'm buried in Constance feels after episode 8, I can't really hate her husband for wanting her to break it off with d'Artagnan, because she's his wife and she's cheating on him.

Similarly, I loved Aramis and Porthos seducing widows, because it was fun and everyone knew what the rules were, but I really hope Aramis doesn't actually sleep with the queen.

Re: The Issue of Infidelity

[(Anonymous)]

While Constance technically willingly married Bonacieux, she didn't have a great deal of choice. She wouldn't have had the same earning potential as a man, and as a spinster wouldn't have been able to leave her family.

Bonacieux surely didn't marry her believing she did/would love him. I didn't get the impression at all that he was upset and hurt that his wife was unfaithful, rather jealous and angry that another man touched his property. After all, he wasn't protesting that he'd been faithful to her. And it's not as if Constance can divorce him.

I don't think it's fair to condemn her for trying to find happiness in a society heavily skewed against women.

Translations

[(Anonymous)]

Has anyone read the newer translations of the Three Musketeers? Is it easier to read? Closer to the original intent? Is it not really any different?

--Trying to decide if I should buy a new copy

Re: Translations

[(Anonymous)]

What translation do you have right now?

MOD: HTML Fail

[(Anonymous)]

Mod, could you please delete this one? http://bbcmusketeerskink.dreamwidth.org/774.html?thread=543750#cmt543750

It's html is not correct. I've reposted a clean copy.

Aramis/Porthos- Story through wounds.

[(Anonymous)]

Based on Aramis' pillow talk with Adele and his bragging about Porthos' stitches, Aramis likes to know/talk about the wounds he and others have received. I was thinking it would be nice to see a story told through scars. Aramis and Porthos getting to know each other by chatting about how they got their facial scars. Porthos bragging about getting a bruise in a brawl and Aramis bragging about love-bites and scratches he's received. Neither of them talking about the new marks on their bodies because they know exactly who gave them to each other and how.

Re: Aramis/Porthos- Story through wounds.

[(Anonymous)]

Whoops, misposted. Delete please.

Not really asking a question

[(Anonymous)]

Just felt like introducing a nice chat. Namely, so far everyone has been really friendly and awesome (which... the past few memes I've been on, I eventually ditched because the drama was insane, so good on all of you!), and say y'all rock.

So carry on being awesome, writers and readers. ♥

Re: Not really asking a question

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Execution-methods & background

[(Anonymous)]

I do know how to start the fun discussions...

So:
Athos was about to be executed via firing-squad. D'Artagnan and Porthos would have been hanged.
Why?

My (also only patchy) knowledge of other time-periods (and countries) is that death by firing squad was somehow more honourable and seen as a true soldier's death, unlike hanging which was for everyone. Was that also true for France at that time? If yes it does explain d'Artagnan as he wasn't a Musketeer at the time and also why the ripped off Porthos' emblem/badge before.
But still: why? Porthos and Athos were both accused of cold-blooded murder totally unconnected to anything they did as soldier so where's the difference?
Is there another answer than racism? (Or plot-convenience because the writers considered on the one occasion the firing-squad and on the other the gallows more dramatic?)
Or has it to do with Athos being judged directly by the king as the matter had been brought before him?

Re: Execution-methods & background

[(Anonymous)]

My impression was that firing squad wasn't a thing in France until the 20th century. Common criminals got hung, heretics got burned, nobility got beheaded with a sword (some guy tried to assassinate Richelieu, or have him assassinated, failed, and Richelieu made sure that the apprentice executioner did the beheading so it took twenty one strikes to cut his head off). They just had the firing squad in the pilot for dramatic purposes. Athos should have been hung, unless he wanted to pull rank and for a beheading. I'm not actually sure about the hanging, either. That might have been more of an English thing.

If you want to make it make sense with internal show logic (good luck!) I'd go with racism.

MOD - arguing in prompts

[(Anonymous)]

Mod, can you possibly step on the wank in the Anne prompts?

I'm flat memeing and it's a pain to scroll past (and is seriously killing my urge to fill anything for anyone). If people want to wank about prompts they could maybe do it here in the discussion post?

Re: MOD - arguing in prompts

[(Anonymous)]

Seconding this.

[(Anonymous)]

Does anyone know if there's a beta readers resource anywhere for this fandom? I have a kazillion half-written fills that I need checking and/or a boot up the arse about.

[kitsjay]

I don't know of anywhere formal, but I'm happy to give it a look if you want!

Just PM me and I'll give you my email.

Resources

[(Anonymous)]

So I know virtually nothing about the time period in which I am writing (helllooo, modern AU's) - does anyone know of some good resources for general information about Paris during this time period?

Re: Resources

[(Anonymous)]

Here are a few links I've come across which are useful re the geography, culture and society of Paris in the seventeenth century:

The History of Paris, from the Earliest Period to the Present Day (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7TAOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=guet+royal&source=bl&ots=yL_tRxYsVc&sig=fw9T6ITqw0eP2roCkMOYHArlDRM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kFAiU76-Asy2hAfz4ICgBg&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCg#v=onepage&q&f=false)
The Merian map of Paris from 1615 (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Merian_plan_of_Paris)
Le Monde de d'Artagnan: historical fact from fiction (http://www.lemondededartagnan.fr/SITE/ENG/dartagnan.htm)
Limited preview of Beneath the Cross: looks at religious tensions and war in 16th/17thc France. Some good background details. (http://www.amazon.com/Beneath-Cross-Catholics-Huguenots-Sixteenth-Century/dp/0195070135#reader_0195070135)
My favourite find to date: Nicholas Sanson's 1632 map of the post roads in France, pretty much the key transport system in 17thc France, and it's CLICKABLE. God, I love whoever made this. (http://www.bhpt.org/cartes/carte10118/TemplateWebPage.htm)
A Sense of Place: A Treatise on Prostitution in Seventeenth-Century Paris (http://www.inha.fr/colloques/document.php?id=566) Don't judge me.
Galignani's new illustrated Paris guide (1827) (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fmcEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA488&lpg=PA488&dq=la+force+prison&source=bl&ots=-6VNSGmmNb&sig=pidNrITN3XFwGCGN_u28EzCuTEs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aih0UruBIcnH0QXax4HIBw&ved=0CG4Q6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q&f=false) More historical, geographical and architectural background on Paris.

This is all I have so far but I'll come back and update further if anyone finds it useful.

[(Anonymous)]

hey!

I found this comm through looking for fics for The Musketeers on Ao3, i've not really used this site before.

I was just wondering if there are any more comms on this site with fanfic for the show?

(Also for Atlantis, another BBC show, if anyone knows of any!)

or just generally any fan comms for either. even on livejournal, which i've used a bit in the past (and now seems completely dead compared to back then!)

i just want more fanfic to read. and i have a worry that fanfic will dry up in the year or so it will take for the next series of the show!

[(Anonymous)]

DW users tend to crosspost fic to AO3. Active comms are less and less common on both DW and LJ.

Fic might dry up, but having a hiatus to work on longer fic before it gets jossed can also make fic production pick up. Having a break between seasons is different from a show being over and done with.

Episodes?

[(Anonymous)]

So... uh, the place where I watch most of my TV shows, to put it delicately, has not uploaded the latest episodes, so I haven't been able to watch anything past 1x07.

If anyone should happen to know where one could happen to find the other episodes that have aired, this anon would be eternally grateful.

(I've checked the website and they haven't got them online, unfortunately)

Scene Query

[(Anonymous)]

Is there a bit when Porthos sneaks up on Aramis and teases him with his gun? If so, which episode?

Re: Scene Query

[(Anonymous)]

Yup - the episode with Vadim, I believe, so 1x02 Sleight of Hand.

Aramis is keeping watch and Porthos comes up behind him and puts a gun to him.

Interview with Jason Flemyng

[(Anonymous)]

Just reading an interview with Jason Flemyng, who plays Vadim, and came across this:

How would you describe your Musketeers character Vadim?

"He's a real proper old-school villain. It was great fun. I don't have a mustache… well, it's an invisible one that I'm allowed to tweak occasionally! I loved it and all the boys I just fell in love with. Luke Pasqualino is amazing - I'm meant to be his enemy but I didn't know whether to smack him in the face or kiss him on the lips."

1. Heh,
2. D'aww,
3. It's a great interview if people are interested. I thought Vadim was an awesome character, and the actor gives a great interview.

http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s235/the-musketeers/interviews/a546415/jason-flemyng-talks-the-musketeers-im-a-proper-old-school-villain.html

Re: Interview with Jason Flemyng

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks for the link :)

What about a Musketeers Big Bang?

[(Anonymous)]

Just a thought, but would any one be interested in writing for a big bang over the summer/autumn period. I feel like doing something to keep the fandom alive and tide me over during the cold Musketeer-less months ahead.

I've done a couple of big bangs for other fandoms before and they were fun. They also generated a lot of wonderful, long stories and some amazing art work. We have lots of talented people, both in this fandom and on this meme.

What do you think, folks? Would any one else be up for it. Has it been discussed anywhere do you know?

Re: What about a Musketeers Big Bang?

[(Anonymous)]

As one of the author anons writing longer fic on meme:

I'd like to see it happen, but hesitate to count myself in. I've organised and participated in big bangs before, and I like them, but I feel like I've been a total flake lately. I'm trying not to sign up for things anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

it's over for the year

i em crai

:(

[raouldehadleyfraser]

let me hug you <3
All for one, and one for all

Beta?

[kitsjay]

Would anyone be willing to beta a fic (gen) for me?

I would appreciate it if anyone could - nothing too big, and my grammar/punctuation is usually impeccable, so it would mostly be stylistic/characterization/plot elements.

PM me if anyone has the time - and thank you! ♥

Any French speakers out there?

[(Anonymous)]

How would one say, "What in heaven" in French?

I don't fully trust Google translate.

Re: Any French speakers out there?

[(Anonymous)]

Could you put it into context?

Unfilled prompts on delicious account?

[(Anonymous)]

Is it possible to get unfilled prompts put on the delicious account? The meme is now so big it can be a struggle to find specific prompts, and it'd be a shame if ones went unfilled because of it. I think it would be really useful to writers looking to be prompted for specific pairings/kinks, as well (it also might prevent unnecessary repeated prompts).

Re: Unfilled prompts on delicious account?

[(Anonymous)]

I run the delicious account, I'm looking into it. I think it'll have to be a separate account so that new fills still appear at the top iyswim. If anyone knows a less cumbersome way to do it I'm all ears.

I'll probably post all the prompts and tag them filled or unfilled, because everyone loves multiple fills, so it'll take a little while to get up to date. I'll post a link to the new account when it's up.

What's everyone listening to?

[(Anonymous)]

For those who write while listening to music.

Gratuity was written to Springsteen on perpetual repeat, especially Streets of Philadelphia and Blood Brothers.

Heir of Dust and Ruin has a wider selection, but highlights include: Richard Shindell's Confession; Cohen's One of Us Cannot be Wrong, Anthem, and If it Be Your Will; Tori Amos' cover of Famous Blue Raincoat; Tom McRae's End of the World News; Melissa Etheridge' Broken Heart Sun and This War Is Over; Cry Cry Cry's cover of Lord, I Have Made You a Place in My Heart, and Shin Seung Hun's Sorry.

Re: What's everyone listening to?

[(Anonymous)]

The soundtrack from the 1982 Scarlet Pimpernel. XD